Adium

Opened 14 years ago

Closed 13 years ago

Last modified 12 years ago

#3134 closed enhancement (fixed)

Review included and default xtras and settings

Reported by: wengero Owned by: catfish_man
Milestone: Adium X 1.0 Component: Xtras
Version: Severity: major
Keywords: Cc:
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Description (last modified by wengero)

The biggest thing that we got out of the "why do people like Proteus" thread on the forums was that we really need to reevaluate the default settings for adium. The appearance should be "more OSX like" if possible (whatever that means).

Some thoughts from various folks below (feel free to add on, devs).

Adium should include at least one non-duck dock icon so that all the lazy duck haters dont think adium is just all ducks.

Proposed Default Included Xtras (from the list below)

This set of xtras is, in my (CFM's) opinion, about the best we've got for being Aqua/OSXish.

  • Stockholm (in svn)
  • Adiumy - Already built in
  • Tokyo Train Station (in svn, slightly modified by the author for shorter contact signed on / signed off sounds)
  • Aqualicious (in svn)
  • iBubble (in svn)
  • Default (I would say Adiumicons, but Proteus uses that set and it'd be pretty rude to copy them that much)
  • PSS-2 (in svn)

Possible inclusions (get permission from the author before adding to this list!)

  • Dock Icons
    • Adiumy - Already built in
    • Glenda AT&T gives permission for this image to be used in whatever. If we used it in a t-shirt they would want a t-shirt, but that's about it.
  • Sound Sets
    • Tokyo Train Station (already included in svn, slightly modified by the author for shorter contact signed on / signed off sounds)
    • Something shorter and less tonal would be nice.
  • Service Icons

Attachments (1)

Events.diff (8.9 KB) - added by eurotrash 14 years ago.
Events patch changes defaults to audio and visual notifications (all audio notifications are on since we apparently can't turn them off one-by-one)

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Change History (93)

comment:2 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Milestone: Adium X 1.0

comment:3 Changed 14 years ago by kiel

Why is this ticket open? The duck is the personality for Adium. If a user would like a non-duck icon, they can download one.

comment:4 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Including one non-duck icon just to show that there are some (and mollify the adium haters) seems reasonable to me

comment:5 Changed 14 years ago by Lfe

If another icon would be included - my vote would go on http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1807

comment:6 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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Summary: Include a non duck dock iconReview included and default xtras and settings

comment:7 Changed 14 years ago by Chris Forsythe

We got permission from the ipb creator on the old funmac forums.

comment:8 Changed 14 years ago by Chris Forsythe

This is not just for the dock icon Kiel. It's a full review ticket, which needs to be done before completing 1.0.

comment:9 Changed 14 years ago by Sean

Here are my thoughts as to what would be the best and why:

  • iBubble as the other included dock icon (Aqua/OSX like, and sort of similar to iChat)

Both of those message styles are among the top rated on AdiumXtras as well.

comment:10 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

I've emailed the authors of GoneDark and Stockholm asking for permission to include them.

comment:11 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:13 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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formatting tweaks

comment:14 Changed 14 years ago by Peter Hosey

I nominate Vectory Ducks and Noko. I'd nominate The Ducks Family too, but that poor duck looks emaciated in my Dock...

and while I was searching for Vectory Ducks, I found this set that looks cool, if not necessarily utilitarian...-> Adiumy Status Icons

comment:15 Changed 14 years ago by Peter Hosey

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WikiFormatting, fixed spelling of 'non-'

comment:16 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:17 Changed 14 years ago by Chris Forsythe

comment:18 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:19 Changed 14 years ago by kiel

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Given that users of Microsoft Messenger aren't terribly satisfied with the Mac version, they'll probably come to Adium as a replacement. I thought it might be appropriate to include the MSN emoticons in the 1.0 release. We have the permission of eevyl (the author of the xtra). This xtra has been nominated in the ticket's description.

comment:20 Changed 14 years ago by Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen <danchr@…>

I'd like to nominate the iAdiumBubble 2.1 icons for inclusion. I find them more HIG compliant than the duck, while still using it as a Adium's "brand".

comment:21 Changed 14 years ago by wengero

I think there should be at least one more service icon pack included by default so there isn't just one choice in the service icon drop down menu by default. And to make the decision easy if you do decide to include a service pack, theres only two on adiumxtras: Gaim 2.0 and pss-2.

comment:22 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Gorgeous simple message style here: http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2564

The author needs contacting if we want it.

comment:23 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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Got permission from the author

comment:24 Changed 14 years ago by Boramor

What about contact list styles?

comment:26 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

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comment:27 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

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comment:28 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:29 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:30 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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I think we'll need MS's permission to use * MSN Animated

so I'm removing it from the list for now

comment:31 Changed 14 years ago by anonymous

The pss-2 service icon pack, as mentioned earlier by wengero, really is very, very nice. Any chance of that being included, even if not as the default?

comment:32 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Owner: changed from nobody to David Smith
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comment:33 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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Adding a section with my proposal for the default xtra settings.

comment:34 Changed 14 years ago by wengero

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comment:35 Changed 14 years ago by Colin Barrett

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comment:36 Changed 14 years ago by Chris Forsythe

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comment:37 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:38 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:39 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:40 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:41 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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hm, how'd that stray character get in?

comment:42 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:43 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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Tweaking the desc for M-a

comment:44 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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Got permission for using Adiumicons

comment:45 Changed 14 years ago by anonymous

I looked threw the soundsets looking for something shorter and these two came out on top: http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2363 and http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1289

comment:46 Changed 14 years ago by twopeak <twopeak@…>

I think it would be quite usefull to have one emoticonsets for each protocol. All users like to find the "normal" emoticons. Further, I think the less; the better. Or at least try to set a number in advance (fe. 5 of every) as not to overkill it. I see lots of great things posted, and I would hate to be the one that has to choose.

comment:47 Changed 14 years ago by SImba Cub

Renkoo and Gone Dark are must haves. Tokyo Train Station rocks as well, as does Adiumicons and the PSS service icons.

comment:48 Changed 14 years ago by Carlos Morales

IMO something like http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=717 should be included for big contact lists (or small displays).

comment:49 Changed 14 years ago by anonymous

Pushpin has been my Adium favorite. http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=198

comment:50 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

priority: normalhigh
Severity: normalblocker

Marking this as blocking 1.0b1 (not changing adium-joscar bugs. Keith/Augie/Evan can decide what does and doesn't block for them)

I'll try to hack on this tonight

comment:51 Changed 14 years ago by kiel

Do the status icons we're looking at include contain a blocked status icon?

comment:52 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Good question. I won't block b1 on that, but we should definitely correct it before 1.0 final.

comment:53 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

I personally like our current emoticon set, though it'd be nice if it were a bit expanded. I do not think we should use the "Adiumicons" set as our default... it's not a bad set, but it's the Proteus default set and that's just not cool.

comment:54 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:55 Changed 14 years ago by Peter Hosey

How about Candyball status icons?

comment:56 Changed 14 years ago by hibou

and what about AdiuMSN? They're nicer than the ordinary msn icons, and animated too:

http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=851

comment:57 Changed 14 years ago by anonymous

Status Icons: Lovely In Pink Minimal

Message themes Candybars Essic

Contact lists: Dock Cocoa Milk

comment:58 Changed 14 years ago by anonymous

Status Icons: Lovely In Pink ; Minimal

Message themes: Candybars ; Essic

Contact lists: Dock ; Cocoa Milk

comment:59 Changed 14 years ago by kbotc@…

http://homepage.mac.com/andrewnesbitt/MetalAdiumX/screenshot1_big.png Metal Adium's built in contact list style is dead sex-ay. We need to steal it for ourselves :-P

comment:60 Changed 14 years ago by adrian@…

Message Style: Metal Chat 2: http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2716 if I get approval from the original artist Soundset: XGadgets: http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2743

comment:61 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Milestone: Adium X 1.0Adium X 1.0 Beta

comment:62 Changed 14 years ago by kiel

The default status and service icons are fine in my opinion, but I'd love to see the others as the default/active xtras on 1.0's install.

comment:63 Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

Some comments on the default notifications. By default, visual notifications are off, only audio notifications are active. I don't think that is likely to be the most popular default configuration (the following comments are in the spirit of getting defaults that most people like).

I propose something moderately akin to the default set used by Google Talk on Windows (their engineers have actually had a fair bit of discussion on the most useful types of notifications, and I'm sure it'll be interesting to watch what they do with GTalk in the future). Basically, it works a bit like this:

If app is in foreground: Notification if buddies sign in. Perhaps there could be something like a popup for new sign-ins only if the contact list is hidden (since if the contact list is active, you see people signing in/out with colored notices anyway).

If app is in background: Notification if buddies sign in. Notification with blurb if new message arrives.

As for audio notifications, most apps seem to default to at least some sound when a contact signs in and when a message is received.

Somewhat related, tangentially at least, in the advanced preferences under Contact List, there is the option to show transitions as contacts sign on and off. Is this a controversial option? I think it's kinda neat to have on by default, and it would get rid of one option in the preferences (in an effort to simplify those).

comment:64 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

Largely agreed -- something like Visual Notifications, with some audio added, should be the default.

Transitions: It's controversial only insofar as it carries a nasty performance hit. Anything older than a 1 ghz machine or so and all that extra drawing on a big list can become laggy.

comment:65 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

(In [15923]) Updates. References #3134

comment:66 Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

I figured I'd make myself useful and make a proposed patch for the notifications, which I found in Resources/BuiltInEventPresets.plist. One problem, where can I find a list of applicable ActionIDs and EventIDs?

Secondly, a fresh run (trashed prefs) of r15926 doesn't use Aqualicious by default (well, it's set to Aqualicious, but broken somehow). The default list layout and appearance is used, and switching to something else and back to Aqualicious does nothing.

comment:67 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

eurotrash, what language does Adium run in for you, out of curiosity?

Unfortunately there is no central place for actionIDs, though we should definitely create one. Do a global search on registerActionID: to find all the actions which are current registered.

For eventIDs, I believe the list in AIAdium.h:131 is complete. Let us know if any are missing.

comment:68 Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

I run Adium in English.

Speaking to Catfish_Man, it seems the list issues may be related to ticket 3559 (though he mentioned he also suspects another, unrelated issue).

I eventually found AIAdium.h (yay for grep), a couple of the events could use some comments, or maybe they just seem a bit unclear to me. I'll look for the ActionIDs, thanks.

comment:69 Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

Evan, where are sound events handled? BuiltInEventPresets.plist only seems to store visuals and dock notifications, there is no listing of the sound events usually used. I have a patch pretty much ready to go, but I'd like to modify the sound stuff too to make it more complete. Catfish_Man has a copy of what I currently have.

comment:70 Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

Ignore that last comment.

After talking to some folks on IRC, it seems that when a soundset is loaded, by default any available sounds are activated. In that case, we can't specify that only a subset of those sounds should be active.

It would be nice to be able to specify the default sounds within BuiltInEventPresets.plist instead, so we could default to only having sounds for contacts coming online and sending you a message (or whatever ends up being the default) out of the box.

Changed 14 years ago by eurotrash

Attachment: Events.diff added

Events patch changes defaults to audio and visual notifications (all audio notifications are on since we apparently can't turn them off one-by-one)

comment:71 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

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comment:72 Changed 14 years ago by wengero

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comment:73 Changed 14 years ago by olwin

A new version of Aqualicious is available.

1.2 - Added a background color to contacts that sign on and off. Contacts coming online fade green and contacts signing off fade grey.

link : http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2634

comment:74 Changed 14 years ago by twopeak (@…

My personal opinion: gonedark message style and glenda icons are very specific already. I think the extras should be recognizable for everyone (it seems like both extras come from certain games).

Instead of Glenda, i'd go for iBubble(it's simple, clear it's an IM application) There are more of this kind.

I find that gone dark message style is much too cluttered and will probably hurt your eyes after a while. But there are many good ones, i feel it's very difficult to choose.

comment:75 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

ok, the core new xtras are in, I'll need to check on the settings, and then we can bump this off the 1.0b milestone.

comment:76 Changed 14 years ago by wengero

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comment:77 Changed 14 years ago by David Smith

Milestone: Adium X 1.0 BetaAdium X 1.0

I think that the b1 critical parts of this are done.

comment:78 Changed 14 years ago by adium

Please consider including the VectorDuck Icons! They are reeeeally pretty!

comment:80 Changed 14 years ago by sam

iBubble needs a 'block' icon :)

comment:81 Changed 14 years ago by adium

If you're looking for another candidate for dock icons: http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1467 These are good because they're Adium AND you get a clear overview of your status.

comment:82 Changed 14 years ago by john

I know this is trivial, but would it be possible to get the Blue vs. Pink variant included with minimal_mod? assuming it makes it into the official 1.0. If not, I'm sure I can get used to a different variant.

comment:83 Changed 14 years ago by Evan Schoenberg

I think the Aqua service icons are better in many places than pss-2 - the AIM icon is a very clear example.

comment:84 Changed 14 years ago by Peter Hosey

About the StatusColours Dock icon set: Those colors don't match up to the colors we use for status in our default status icon set. If they did, I for one would be more open to them.

comment:85 Changed 14 years ago by Peter Hosey

The Adiumy emoticons set: http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=96

I think we need to include this, and put it right below Default. This is awesome.

comment:86 Changed 14 years ago by Carlos Morales

The msn icon pack is very old. It should be upgraded to: http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1 AFAIK that one includes every default msn emoticon. http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=851 is quite popular on the xtras site too.

comment:88 Changed 13 years ago by miroku

I reccommend plink for your shorter less tonal soundset. it's rather unobtrusive.

http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=59

... and whatever nubcake posted "http://google.com" above me... well the nubcake part explains it.

comment:89 Changed 13 years ago by Carlos Morales

iBubble 3 is a really nice choice for a non-duck icon.

comment:90 Changed 13 years ago by Chris Forsythe

This ticket blocks #5092

comment:91 Changed 13 years ago by David Smith

(In [17574]) Refs #3134. Adding code to allow us to remove contact list xtras from being default-visible, while not breaking them for people the use them. We still take the disk space hit for them, but it's only a few k so I don't think it's a big deal. Thanks to The_Tick for the idea.

comment:92 Changed 13 years ago by David Smith

Resolution: fixed
Status: assignedclosed

I think that last contact list commit finishes this up.

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