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Thursday/Friday, 2008-10-30/2008-10-31 in #adium-devl
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Agenda
- SoC - David/Peter/Colin
- Wrap-up
- Mentor Summit
- FOSS A/V Proposal - Eric
Log
2008-10-30T20:00:57 * Catfish_Man is around
2008-10-30T20:01:29 <edr1084> hopefully we'll get some stragglers soonish
2008-10-30T20:02:09 <edr1084> although you're the most important for tonight Catfish_Man ;)
2008-10-30T20:03:45 <rob-to86> hey neohaven
2008-10-30T20:03:56 <neohaven> hey rob-to86
2008-10-30T20:04:25 <neohaven> how'Re you?
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2008-10-30T20:04:39 <edr1084> hey boredzo
2008-10-30T20:04:43 <boredzo> Twitter: Keeping me more or less on time for Adium meetings since 2008.
2008-10-30T20:04:44 <rob-to86> neohaven: I'm fine
2008-10-30T20:05:22 <rob-to86> How are you? :)
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2008-10-30T20:06:03 <edr1084> I don't believe evan will be joining up tonight
2008-10-30T20:06:17 <Catfish_Man> hm, unfortunate
2008-10-30T20:06:19 <rob-to86> Good lord
2008-10-30T20:06:30 <neohaven> :S
2008-10-30T20:06:34 <neohaven> rob-to86: I'm fine
2008-10-30T20:07:29 <edr1084> he may surprise us
2008-10-30T20:08:10 <edr1084> any word on anyone else?
2008-10-30T20:08:22 <CIA-19> catfish_man * r25511 /trunk/Source/DCMessageContextDisplayPlugin.m:
2008-10-30T20:08:22 <CIA-19> Remove all uses of AIXMLElement in DCMessageContextDisplayPlugin
2008-10-30T20:08:22 <CIA-19> <http://trac.adiumx.com/changeset/25511>
2008-10-30T20:08:35 <boredzo> So you made one use AIXMLElement, and the other not?
2008-10-30T20:08:50 <rob-to86> edr1084: what about Colin? he's online
2008-10-30T20:08:53 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: ?
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2008-10-30T20:09:02 <edr1084> rob-to86: away and idle
2008-10-30T20:09:08 <Catfish_Man> I'm switching us over to NSXMLElement
2008-10-30T20:09:12 <rob-to86> yeah...
2008-10-30T20:09:14 <boredzo> Oh, I see
2008-10-30T20:09:55 <Catfish_Man> last bit is AIHTMLDecoder
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2008-10-30T20:10:43 <boredzo> /LMX
2008-10-30T20:10:48 <boredzo> Redundant comment is redundant.
2008-10-30T20:10:52 <Catfish_Man> heh
2008-10-30T20:11:14 <edr1084> well, I suppose this can be small and short
2008-10-30T20:11:16 <edr1084> shall we?
2008-10-30T20:11:30 <Catfish_Man> ok, mind if I start off with a request?
2008-10-30T20:11:38 <edr1084> sure
2008-10-30T20:11:59 <Catfish_Man> if anyone has access to a slow machine, and would be willing to stress test trunk a bit, that would be very helpful
2008-10-30T20:12:12 <boredzo> Stress test by doing what?3
2008-10-30T20:12:13 <boredzo> -3
2008-10-30T20:12:13 <edr1084> define "slow"?
2008-10-30T20:12:41 <rob-to86> PPC probably
2008-10-30T20:12:45 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: contact list manipulation in particular; loading large buddy lists, signing on and off, sorting, searching
2008-10-30T20:12:58 <boredzo> Hm.
2008-10-30T20:13:06 <Catfish_Man> looking for lag in message sending or other operations while under heavy IO load would also be useful
2008-10-30T20:13:10 <Catfish_Man> it *should* be much reduced
2008-10-30T20:13:16 <boredzo> Well, I'll see about getting a small hard drive or flash drive at Target, then setting up my Cube to boot from it.
2008-10-30T20:13:17 <edr1084> I'm got my 1ghz g4 tibook, however I'm not running leopard
2008-10-30T20:13:28 <rob-to86> neat
2008-10-30T20:13:39 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: that would be awesome, thank you :)
2008-10-30T20:13:43 * rob-to86 always wanted a Cube
2008-10-30T20:13:44 <Catfish_Man> shark traces if possible
2008-10-30T20:14:02 <boredzo> Its hard drive started dying while I was waiting for my Mac Pro to arrive, so I will certainly have to start fresh.
2008-10-30T20:14:11 <boredzo> Leopard + dev tools + Adium
2008-10-30T20:14:41 <rob-to86> heh, could http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/11319 be your culprit, Catfish_Man?
2008-10-30T20:14:44 <Catfish_Man> as far as the general state of trunk is concerned, the main bits I'm worried about are the stale contacts issue and the offline group issue
2008-10-30T20:14:46 <Cappuccino> Updated tickets: Ticket #11319 (defect updated): message view plugin not in build <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/11319#comment:1> || Ticket #11319 (defect created): message view plugin not in build <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/11319>
2008-10-30T20:14:56 <Catfish_Man> rob-to86: I saw that once on my machine
2008-10-30T20:14:57 <Catfish_Man> fucking odd
2008-10-30T20:15:55 <Catfish_Man> building the message view target explicitly fixed it
2008-10-30T20:17:11 <edr1084> Catfish_Man: you good now?
2008-10-30T20:17:23 <Catfish_Man> yeah
2008-10-30T20:17:28 <edr1084> kk
2008-10-30T20:17:44 <edr1084> want to get us started with some SoC-ness?
2008-10-30T20:17:55 <boredzo> Was WKMV missing from the dependencies list?
2008-10-30T20:18:01 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: not when I checked
2008-10-30T20:18:13 <Catfish_Man> edr1084: Code is sitting there waiting for more extensive testing and merging
2008-10-30T20:18:17 <Catfish_Man> I haven't had time to do much at all with it
2008-10-30T20:19:03 <rob-to86> someone doing the log?
2008-10-30T20:19:05 <boredzo> Yeah, I see it there. Weird.
2008-10-30T20:19:07 <boredzo> rob-to86: Me
2008-10-30T20:19:12 <rob-to86> cool!
2008-10-30T20:19:17 <boredzo> With my handy-dandy Colloquy-to-IRC-log tool. ☺
2008-10-30T20:19:25 <rob-to86> yeah :)
2008-10-30T20:19:58 <edr1084> Catfish_Man: care to give us a wrap up of what happened with it this summer? status of projects, what worked, what they got done, etc
2008-10-30T20:21:42 <Catfish_Man> one student had to drop out due to the economy, so it goes, no hard feelings. Other than that the summary I would give is "competent but uninvolved". Mentors (including me) needed to talk to students more, students needed to blog/email/whatever more
2008-10-30T20:22:26 <edr1084> would you consider either of the remaining projects successful?
2008-10-30T20:22:39 <Catfish_Man> yes, although they may have bitrotted a bit
2008-10-30T20:23:00 <edr1084> because yes, communication was definitely lacking this year
2008-10-30T20:23:37 <boredzo> Part of it (especially the student blogging part) was that my student's project wasn't really user-facing.
2008-10-30T20:23:57 <boredzo> There would be about five paragraphs explaining unit testing to a lot of people who don't care. ☺
2008-10-30T20:24:03 <edr1084> that's part of why I was wanting people to blog though
2008-10-30T20:24:12 <edr1084> because it wasn't user facing
2008-10-30T20:24:33 <edr1084> the idea was to show people that things were going on behind the scenes
2008-10-30T20:24:40 <boredzo> Truth.
2008-10-30T20:24:40 <edr1084> if they don't care, they won't read the post
2008-10-30T20:24:42 <edr1084> right?
2008-10-30T20:24:49 <boredzo> Yeah, or they'll click away from it
2008-10-30T20:24:58 <boredzo> “TL;DR <icanhascheez…>”
2008-10-30T20:25:07 <Catfish_Man> oh, sorta offtopic. We were talking about crash reporters again today. Anyone know offhand what format SCR takes reports in?
2008-10-30T20:25:27 <boredzo> No idea. I think there's documentation.
2008-10-30T20:25:42 <Catfish_Man> 'cause it was pointed out that we could res the burning duck and just have it submit SCR reports
2008-10-30T20:25:42 <boredzo> I'm not happy with SCR, particularly because Evan had the only access to read the crashes.
2008-10-30T20:25:49 <Catfish_Man> eh? I have access
2008-10-30T20:25:51 <boredzo> ?
2008-10-30T20:25:53 <Catfish_Man> ping me and I'll give you the info
2008-10-30T20:25:58 <Catfish_Man> it was on the list a while back I think
2008-10-30T20:26:18 <edr1084> yeah, we should all have access
2008-10-30T20:26:29 <boredzo> edr1084: That was my point.
2008-10-30T20:26:50 <edr1084> boredzo: no no, we all DO have access
2008-10-30T20:26:51 <boredzo> Yeah, *I* started a thread asking for access.
2008-10-30T20:27:08 <edr1084> ah, ok
2008-10-30T20:27:17 <edr1084> back on the same page again :)
2008-10-30T20:27:22 <Pmoriarty> hey cat
2008-10-30T20:27:27 <Catfish_Man> yes?
2008-10-30T20:27:57 <Catfish_Man> anyway, so if we all have access, and we can get the format it uses, resuscitating the burning duck shouldn't be hard, right?
2008-10-30T20:28:05 <boredzo> The closest thing to an answer was Brian telling me the URL to go to.
2008-10-30T20:28:08 <Pmoriarty> the message view plugin is still missing on the ppc build
2008-10-30T20:28:08 <Catfish_Man> and that will get rid of the main objection to scr, which is the inputmanagerness
2008-10-30T20:28:12 <Pmoriarty> that i did
2008-10-30T20:28:16 <boredzo> But no one said which ID and email address to use.
2008-10-30T20:28:20 <Catfish_Man> pmoriarty: build the message view target explicitly
2008-10-30T20:28:22 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: get on IM
2008-10-30T20:28:31 <Pmoriarty> i loged a ticket
2008-10-30T20:28:42 <Catfish_Man> pmoriarty: I know, it was discussed a few minutes ago
2008-10-30T20:28:55 <boredzo> Most frustrating email thread ever. Seven replies and no real answer.
2008-10-30T20:29:00 <Pmoriarty> sorry i dont have more data, did it in a hurry
2008-10-30T20:29:02 <boredzo> Catfish_Man: Thanks.
2008-10-30T20:29:06 <Catfish_Man> np
2008-10-30T20:29:09 <Pmoriarty> must of just hit the server than
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2008-10-30T20:31:46 <Catfish_Man> boredzo: isn't it great how basically none of our crashes seem to be in our code? :(
2008-10-30T20:31:49 <Cappuccino> Updated tickets: Ticket #11319 (defect updated): message view plugin not in build <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/11319#comment:2>
2008-10-30T20:32:23 <boredzo> Heh
2008-10-30T20:32:33 <boredzo> Our code is perfect! Stop all work!
2008-10-30T20:32:46 <Pmoriarty> :P
2008-10-30T20:33:01 <neohaven> Catfish_Man: really?
2008-10-30T20:33:49 <edr1084> alright, so back to the meeting at hand
2008-10-30T20:34:28 <Catfish_Man> neohaven: yeah, almost all in libpurple :(
2008-10-30T20:34:31 <edr1084> ignoring potential bitrot, what was accomplished Catfish_Man?
2008-10-30T20:34:59 <neohaven> Catfish_Man: koi?
2008-10-30T20:35:02 <Catfish_Man> edr1084: unit testing of a significant chunk of code, and a data-detectors like system (which iirc needs a bit of UI love but is working)
2008-10-30T20:35:04 <neohaven> really?
2008-10-30T20:35:49 <Pmoriarty> unit-testing whats that. my company just dumps all that crap on qa
2008-10-30T20:36:05 <boredzo> Pmoriarty: Automated testing of our code.
2008-10-30T20:36:29 <Pmoriarty> i am being physicious and frustrated with my compaines developers (i am in qa)
2008-10-30T20:36:37 <boredzo> So that we find out immediately after breaking something that we broke it.
2008-10-30T20:36:48 <Pmoriarty> :)
2008-10-30T20:36:55 <boredzo> Reword: So that we find out that we broke something immediately after breaking it.
2008-10-30T20:37:08 <rob-to86> please stay on-topic
2008-10-30T20:37:11 <Pmoriarty> anyway off now :)
2008-10-30T20:37:33 <edr1084> so how about the summit?
2008-10-30T20:37:55 <boredzo> Well, let's ask Matt and durin42…
2008-10-30T20:38:32 <edr1084> unfortunately... neither seem to be around
2008-10-30T20:39:52 <edr1084> anything else for SoC?
2008-10-30T20:40:08 <Catfish_Man> not that I can think of
2008-10-30T20:40:32 <edr1084> alright
2008-10-30T20:40:39 <edr1084> FOSS propsal
2008-10-30T20:40:59 <Catfish_Man> ?
2008-10-30T20:41:20 <boredzo> !
2008-10-30T20:41:39 <edr1084> we were contacted by a guy looking to provide us with a technical writer to break down the various subtasks involved in implementing v/v
2008-10-30T20:41:57 <edr1084> they've already started working with the pidgin guys to do the same
2008-10-30T20:42:09 * Catfish_Man doesn't *know* what those tasks would be, so will not be helpful
2008-10-30T20:42:21 <boredzo> Basically a GTD list?
2008-10-30T20:42:24 <edr1084> elliott has offered to assist with that part
2008-10-30T20:42:46 <edr1084> well, it starts with a GTD list, but then bounties get assigned from the pool based on effort required
2008-10-30T20:43:33 <edr1084> the suggestion was for some cooperation between us and pidgin to spread the bounty pools out over what we come up with for the best mutual benefit
2008-10-30T20:44:48 <edr1084> http://www.fossfactory.org/project/p12
2008-10-30T20:44:54 <edr1084> pidgin's project so far
2008-10-30T20:45:30 <edr1084> it hasn't really taken off so far because they were having trouble breaking things down
2008-10-30T20:45:47 <edr1084> that's when it was decided to provide technical writers to assist
2008-10-30T20:47:28 <edr1084> I realize it's not a ton of info yet, but does this sound like something we'd be interested in getting involved with?
2008-10-30T20:48:17 <boredzo> I don't know enough about it. I'm pretty sure Elliott does and will be able to provide useful knowledge.
2008-10-30T20:48:23 <boredzo> it=VV
2008-10-30T20:48:27 <edr1084> yeah
2008-10-30T20:48:35 <edr1084> that's why I reached out to him on it
2008-10-30T20:49:54 <Catfish_Man> I personally am not very interested, but I don't care much about vv
2008-10-30T20:49:54 <edr1084> but if anyone else would like to assist, let me know
2008-10-30T20:50:02 <edr1084> fair enough
2008-10-30T20:51:28 <edr1084> but as a project do we think it sounds good?
2008-10-30T20:52:04 <Catfish_Man> I think it's difficult to evaluate what needs doing without trying things
2008-10-30T20:52:18 <Catfish_Man> so unless someone is actually willing to sit down and write code, this won't help
2008-10-30T20:52:29 <edr1084> right
2008-10-30T20:52:50 <Catfish_Man> if someone *is* willing to sit down and write code, they should do so
2008-10-30T20:53:18 <edr1084> their thought it that the bounties and breaking things into smaller pieces will be a bit easier to dive into
2008-10-30T20:53:41 <Catfish_Man> possibly
2008-10-30T20:53:42 <edr1084> not to mention encouraging others to get involved
2008-10-30T20:53:58 <edr1084> I'll be honest, I too was/am skeptical
2008-10-30T20:54:07 <edr1084> but I'm willing to give them a chance
2008-10-30T20:54:17 <Catfish_Man> sure
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2008-10-30T20:55:41 <edr1084> the suggestion was also made that if a client tries to initiate an audio or a video with one of our clients which doesn't support it, it should pop up an alert with info on contributing to the bounties and such
2008-10-30T20:55:52 <edr1084> I told them that I really didn't like that idea
2008-10-30T20:56:05 <Catfish_Man> yeah, that's bad
2008-10-30T20:56:13 <edr1084> I felt that it would feel too much like donation-ware or ads
2008-10-30T20:58:37 <edr1084> but yeah, so that's what's up with that
2008-10-30T20:59:50 <edr1084> david, do you still need to discuss the that aim issue?
2008-10-30T21:00:05 <Catfish_Man> nah, figured out what it was
2008-10-30T21:00:11 <edr1084> alrighty
2008-10-30T21:00:22 <CIA-19> zacw * r25512 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
2008-10-30T21:00:22 <CIA-19> Patch from '''Jackie Balzer''' to add "Contact went mobile" and "Contact returns from mobile" events. Fixes #3248. Adds a {{{-dealloc}}} function to the Contact Status Events plugin, which it lacked before.
2008-10-30T21:00:22 <CIA-19> <http://trac.adiumx.com/changeset/25512>
2008-10-30T21:00:26 <edr1084> do we have anything else for now?
2008-10-30T21:00:30 <Catfish_Man> NSAsserts firing and unwinding the stack in the middle of things do Bad Things to our code
2008-10-30T21:02:33 <Cappuccino> Updated tickets: Ticket #3248 (enhancement closed): Status message when a screenname goes to/from mobile <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/3248>
2008-10-30T21:02:42 <edr1084> well I guess if there's nothing else we may as well wrap things up for this evening
2008-10-30T21:02:45 <Catfish_Man> k
2008-10-30T21:02:54 <edr1084> thanks guys
2008-10-30T21:03:15 <boredzo> Nothing I can think of.
2008-10-30T21:03:49 * Catfish_Man is hunting for SCR documentation
2008-10-30T21:03:51 <Cappuccino> Updated tickets: Ticket #3248 (enhancement updated): Status message when a screenname goes to/from mobile <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/3248#comment:4>
2008-10-30T21:04:32 <rob-to86> I'd like to ask everyone to check the tickets with patches in them
2008-10-30T21:04:41 <rob-to86> this should really be a priority
2008-10-30T21:05:55 <rob-to86> http://trac.adiumx.com/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&patch_status=%21None&patch_status=%21&order=patch_status
2008-10-30T21:05:56 <rob-to86> the "Needs Dev Review" ones first and foremost
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2008-10-30T21:08:00 <jas8522> shouldn't there be people speaking?
2008-10-30T21:08:09 <rob-to86> jas8522: just over
2008-10-30T21:08:26 <jas8522> ... earlier than the normal time?
2008-10-30T21:08:36 <rob-to86> yeah, I was surprised, too
2008-10-30T21:08:51 <rob-to86> we started an hour ago (an hour earlier than usual, I think)
2008-10-30T21:08:54 <jas8522> I must have missed that detail in the email
2008-10-30T21:09:00 <jas8522> I think so as well
2008-10-30T21:09:35 <jas8522> at least I feel justified in that I actually was reading material for a class